Today, I am talking to a great young man that works in the construction industry - Hayden Abrevaya. We discuss construction technology, unique internship avenues, and green drain infrastructure.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
1:03 Hayden Introduction | Construction Contracting
8:30 Block Chain For Applications | Hayden’s Internships Advice
22:08 How to Promote Construction Technology
28:25 Construction Is Recession Proof | Green Drain Infrastructure
34:53 - Outro
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Hayden: [00:00:00] Yeah, I mean, I don't know the, the actual numbers, but it's like the, we've got an aging workforce and you know, like we still need plumbers, we still need electricians. Um, and like, as like a bunch of jobs get replaced by like AI and things like that, it's gonna be like those jobs can't be replaced by, by anything like that.
Hayden: So,
Jordan: Hey everybody, thanks for joining the podcast Today, we're starting something new, and this will be the first episode in a, in an ongoing series for us. So we're gonna do in Pursuit of Better Construction series. So I'm super excited about this being that, you know, my background is in the home service construction industry to talk to different businesses.
Jordan: People, um, small business owners, anybody that is really advancing, um, the tech, the construction industry, whether it be through new technology, through just getting young people involved with it, or [00:01:00] changing people's mindset around the, the blue collar trades. Really any person, business or, um, group that is helping to advance the, the, the trades or the construction industry is really what we're gonna focus on.
Jordan: The first guest in the series is a really cool guy that you know I got connected with online because of his. Uh, advancing the trade. So, Hayden Avaya, um, is someone who is, you know, works with a company called Build who does, um, construction, subcontractor financing, but he's also involved with other podcasts, um, marketing and things like that, that, that show that there are multiple ways for people to get involved in the industry.
Jordan: So we kind of dive into the ways that, you know, he got involved, his background, what got him into the construction, and then how can we reach the next generation of people. That they want to do the same thing or something similar. So, super excited for you guys to hear today's guest. Um, you know, let me know in the comments what you think about this series, maybe future guests that you want to hear, [00:02:00] um, or things that you wanna learn about.
Jordan: So let's dive right in, um, to the conversation with Hayden. Well, I wanna, I, I guess we'll start with what you do with build. I know we talked a little bit about it before, um, but I find it super interesting and just to give people perspective about the different career paths that you can take, um, you know, kind of in the construction, in construction industry.
Jordan: So I guess I just wanted to start with, you know, what it is you do there and what, what BUILD does?
Hayden: Yeah. So, Background's, kind of in construction. Um, I found out about builds when I was looking into construction tech jobs. Um, and kind of when I interned here, I was more in like a content marketing type role.
Hayden: Um, so helping out with blogs, um, Instagram, social media, things like that. . And then when I came on full-time, I was kind of transitioned into a product marketing role, which, um, [00:03:00] deals more with customers. So, um, doing customer interviews, um, finding out what our customers like, and then also how to market our products to people in the construction industry.
Hayden: Um, and then that, that's kind of the main focus of my job. And then I also still help. Do kind of the managing of social media channels. Um, so a little bit of everything. Um, and then build also runs a podcast which I help produce. Um, our host is Russ Briscoe, who's our, uh, VP of sales here, so I do that as well.
Hayden: Little bit of
Jordan: everything. How did, so do you think that that, you know, and again, we, this was a prior conversation, but you know, a little bit of construction background, uh, growing up, but did that help and does that help in those conversations that you have with potential customers?
Hayden: I think it definitely does.
Hayden: Um, I think I have a good understanding of it. It helps to have a better [00:04:00] understanding of our customers already, so we work with, um, a lot of subcontractors. Um, so it helps having that understanding of what they're actually doing in the fields and kind of what the backend process looks like. Um, so I had interned at a subcontractor and a gc, so I kind of saw it from both angle.
Hayden: Um, so being able to see that I think definitely helps talk, talk with
Jordan: customers. Yeah. C um, cuz what you guys do is kind of the offer that, that payment gap, right? For, so for subs that are, uh, work on a, on a job site, um, allows them to kind of increase their cash flow to get that money up front, um, and then pay it back, correct?
Hayden: Yeah. Essentially. Um, and we kind of do that. Two of our products, the material financing side, which. Subcontractors, you know, they're ordering materials, they're installing them on the job sites. Um, but you know, when they're actually getting [00:05:00] paid for those materials they're installing is often 60 beyond 60 days.
Hayden: Um, so one of our products is, um, we'll pay suppliers upfront, um, and then offer customers 120 day terms to pay those, uh, to pay back for those supplies. And that allows customers to, you know, not, not become the bank for their GCs essentially. Um, so that, that's one of the products. And then the other one is pay app advance, which kind of deals with, um, more like labor costs, things like that.
Hayden: You can use it for whatever. Um, but so like pay applications, you submit a pay application and oftentimes you're not being. Out on that pay application, even if it's approved. Again, beyond 30 days sometimes. Um, so, so that's a similar product. We'll pay up to a hundred percent of a pay [00:06:00] application upfront to a subcontractor, um, and then give them 60 days to pay us back.
Jordan: And I think it's really cool cuz I was. Talking to somebody else about, um, you know, trying to, when people are trying to get into their, or maybe start their own business, one of the scary things is, can be that the money side of it. So to have a service that, that does that for somebody that maybe knows a trade but you know, doesn't understand the, the backend of how all that works can be, can be beneficial, official.
Hayden: Yeah. And kind of like what we tell a lot of our customers is, You know, if you can raise your bid price by one or 2%, are you really gonna lose that on any bids? And the answer is pretty much always no. We're not gonna lose that on any bids, um, if, if you have those GC relationships built out. So being able to do that while not putting a strain on your own cash flow and being able to use.
Hayden: Your business funds to grow your business, put towards labor, put towards [00:07:00] training, things like that, um, has been like a big help for a lot of
Jordan: customers. Do you, do you guys have relationships with the GCs or does most of it come from the other side? Like I, I'm kind of curious about the sales process now.
Hayden: Yeah, so we have some relationships with GCs, um, . It mainly comes from subcontractors and suppliers, um, and other tech partners though. Um, that's just kind of historically what we've done. Um, but, but the kind of GC relationships are also being built up. Okay.
Jordan: Um, what do you do, you guys, this is more for me cause I've been thinking about this, is that.
Jordan: As a whole, our industry can somewhat lag when it comes to technology. Um, you know, I know at least in the service industry, like there's a lot of people that are still doing like paper invoices and things like that. How much have you or Bill looked into like [00:08:00] crypto and stuff like that for, or like the blockchain for, for applications.
Hayden: Personally, I haven't really looked into it much at all. . I don't know that build has either, but honestly wouldn't be the best person to ask about that. Um, but yeah, I mean, as the, like the industry as a whole, I think there's like a common conception that people are slow to adopt technology. Um, personally I think it's a little bit because the right technology just like hasn't been.
Hayden: Um, like people haven't dev, and even now people were still like developing technology that makes sense for construction, whereas like a lot of tech just wasn't designed for construction and didn't necessarily make sense for, for those businesses. Um, and I feel like kind of in the past 10 years especially, that's just changed a lot.
Jordan: No, I agree. Cause I, I, again, specifically with what we. , it seemed like it was hard [00:09:00] to find a, like field service management tool like 10 years ago. And now there's just, you know, a plethora of options. So it seems like we get behind, but it, I think it's in a good spot now where people are investing that, that the effort and the money into kind of building out some of the tech.
Jordan: Yeah, for sure. But that's why I was thinking about, um, blockchain, cuz I, that's probably a little , uh, ahead for where we're at right now. It seems like the systems would match up perfectly for something like what you guys do, cuz it's, you know, about, um, kind of guaranteeing those payments and, and it could also be on the contract side.
Jordan: So, um, but that's just something I've been toying with in my head. Yeah. So I wanna back up a little bit and talk about. What did, what did you do prior to starting with Bill? That, that was construction related? Or what did you do growing up? Uh, uh, you know, in those fields?
Hayden: Yeah, so I guess [00:10:00] kind of started, I would just do like kinda little handyman project type things with, uh, my uncle and grandpa.
Hayden: My parents were never really like super, super handy. But, so I kind of just learned to build things on my own. Um, and kind of like my parents let me have like a little spot in the garage where I started collecting tools and kind of building my own shop space. Um, and I guess in like middle school into like eighth grade, then ninth grade I was kinda like, would just make these wood art things and I sold those a little bit on the side.
Hayden: So that was kind of my first. , little entrepreneurial, uh, side hustle. I, I guess. Um, and then in high school I was a bit of a nerd. I did robotics, um mm-hmm. , but our teacher was the old, like wood shop and metal shop teacher. So that's kind of when I learned, um, [00:11:00] like I learned how to use c n C mills, like, uh, lathes band sauce.
Hayden: Um, Pretty much any tool like laser cutters. Uh, we, we kind of played around with everything. Um, and then one summer in high school I did a, uh, Kind of apprenticeship, um, at a furniture shop in Austin that I kind of just walked in and was like, Hey, are you guys hiring anyone? Like, would you need a helper this summer?
Hayden: So I kind of learned from them for a bit. Um, learned how to do like wood and metal finishing work, um, which was a lot of fun cuz I, I don't know, I've always liked building things. Um, so that kind of lended itself well to what I was into. Um, and when I was going into college, I had thought I wanted to do like engineering or architecture or something.
Hayden: And so I was [00:12:00] as, as I entered like senior year and was applying places, I was like, I don't actually wanna do engineering. Like, I don't like math and physics that much. Um, so went to like this architecture, like summer program to see if I would like that. Realized that also was not really for me. Uh, and then I actually like took this, uh, my, like one of my school counselors recommended.
Hayden: I do like one of those, um, career test things. Mm-hmm. , which normally are give you like shitty results, I feel like. But, but this one, uh, brought up construction management as like a career track and I was like, oh, I've never heard of that. So I started doing research and realized, oh, that sounds. It would be a perfect fit for me.
Hayden: Um, so then I found out a and m had a good program, um, ended up going there in their construction and science program. Um, and they do [00:13:00] a really great job of kind of connecting students to companies in the industry. Um, so my freshman summer I had applied like probably 10, 15 places. and a company based in Austin, a uh, asphalt paving and material supply supplier, um, reached back out to me.
Hayden: So I worked there for one summer, um, which was a lot of fun and a great opportunity. They kind of, they kind of had us start out, which I really enjoyed going out with all the crews, so we kind of learned the, you know, from the ground up, like what, what the business was kind of about. And it also, Allowed us to then be able to actually estimate jobs and kind of do more project management stuff for jobs.
Hayden: Um, and so like by the, by the end of the summer, me and another intern were bidding on a lot of the new construction jobs that they had. So we did a, [00:14:00] we did a lot of that and then, um, had a couple of our own projects that we were managing, um, for mostly we did, uh, parking lot paving, striping. Uh, parking garages, things like that.
Hayden: Uh,
Jordan: that's kind of, it's kind of surprising that they let interns, I mean, it's kind of a cool opportunity and surprising that they let you do as much as they did, that you got to learn that whole, that whole process. Um, what, so then after doing that, why, why, was it just the opportunity or did you not want to do kinda like the project management
Hayden: side?
Hayden: Um, so after that I wanted to try a GC also before I like decided what I wanted to do. Um, so at my school, um, they require, like you take a semester off and intern at a company. So you have like, you can work places over the summer, but you have to have like one long internship. [00:15:00] Um, so I went to work for Qwi, which I also enjoyed.
Hayden: but I kind of realized like during this whole time, I guess I, I also like doing uh, like building my own websites and things like that. Um, just kind of playing around with it. Um, and realized I wanted to do something related to tech in the construction industry. Um, cuz I still really enjoyed the construction industry and everything it had to offer.
Hayden: Um, but I just thought there was like so much opportunity. Kind of help advance the industry more.
Jordan: Oh, that's pretty cool. Um, and I, I, I agree. Um, and that's why, you know, I reached out to you originally was you don't see a lot of young people kind of with that, that drive or that motivation to help move it along.
Jordan: Um, but it's cool to see, you know, you and some other guys, uh, content that's out there all the time, um, kind [00:16:00] of pushing it. . But what, so how do, if someone is interested in, like construction tech mm-hmm. , what are places that you recommend they look, um, to find opportunities like that?
Hayden: That's a good question.
Hayden: I mean, there's like so many, like different faucets of construction tech you could go into mm-hmm. . Um, but I think for, um, like a lot. There are marketing roles that I think lend themselves well to people who have experience in construction. Um, but obviously you also have to be like driven enough to learn that side of things on your own as well.
Hayden: Um, that being said, like a lot of construction tech companies have sales roles, um, almost all. Um, and so like we, we hire, um, a like account exec executives. , [00:17:00] account managers, things like that. So people like you're still talking to contractors every day. Um, reaching out to contractors, kind of managing those relationships and accounts and like someone who enjoys that side of the construction industry and is also kind of already has some of those networks built up.
Hayden: Like if you wanted to go into construction tech, like honestly, Just start by Googling types of companies you're interested in. Um, a lot of them are hiring. You can look on like LinkedIn, um, but the construction tech is kind of booming right now. So there's definitely a lot of jobs in like the sales side of things that I think it's really valuable, um, for, for those companies because, Not like most, most salespeople don't have the construction background, but if you have that construction background and like you're able to talk to people, well, being able to sell constru like a useful construction tech [00:18:00] product is not super difficult.
Jordan: No, I think that's a good point. So if you hadn't encountered that, uh, counselor that gave you the test, do you think you would've just gone into engineering and, and, you know, done that route? I.
Hayden: Honestly, yeah, probably it probably would've gone into mechanical engineering or something. Um, so I'm glad I found out about the construction management side of things because I, I really didn't like, obviously you see high rises and stuff get built, but it's like, I never really thought like, oh, there's a whole like career path that, that direction.
Hayden: Um,
Jordan: No, that's a good point too, because there's a lot of, well, and one thing that I stress to people is like, especially a couple years ago, we realized who essential employees were, um, you know, when everything's shut down, but it's like things still need to get built. People still want running water and their house to be hot or cooled.
Jordan: Um, so that's where I find a lot of value is that [00:19:00] it's, it's somewhat recession proof and it's something that's always gonna have to happen.
Hayden: Yeah, definitely people are always gonna need, uh, running water, plumbers, roadways, um, in that sense definitely
Jordan: where that's gonna be hard for a robot to do it, at least for a while.
Jordan: I mean, you built robots, so you Yeah, for sure. ,
Hayden: um, the, uh, yeah, I feel like the construction robots they have now, They're like, some of them look decent, like 3D printing houses is like, alright. Mm-hmm. , but it's still not like fully proven out. Um, it's definitely gonna be a long time till uh, that's commonplace.
Hayden: Yeah. Well I
Jordan: didn't realize that like in excavation and stuff like that, a lot of those machines can be like computer operated now. Like you don't actually have to sit in them. Did you guys do that at the Pav? Place? Did you guys have those? Um,
Hayden: so some of, definitely they do that on their like heavy highway projects.
Hayden: Mm-hmm. , I was [00:20:00] kind of in a different department. Um, we had, I mean the machines are super fancy, like you just said, 'em, like, you want this much asphalt, like it sort of does it for you. Um, but we were in smaller spaces, so a lot more of it was, um, like done by hand. But, um, Yeah, when I was at Qwi, like we were moving a ton of dirt, um, and like those machines were all running on, um, uh, what's it called?
Hayden: Like g p s stuff? Um, yeah. Yeah. And I didn't learn a, I didn't get to learn a ton about it, but I mean, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Like people aren't, people aren't, uh, controlling like angles of their blades on dozers anymore. It kind of, that's computer operating now. Yeah. When I found
Jordan: out that it was just recent that I found out about it, I didn't, I'm like, that just kind of blew me away.
Jordan: Yeah. You'd think being around it, I mean, we're around excavators, but I'm like, we have to operate it. Yeah. So to know that the, the blade and the how much was getting removed [00:21:00] or was just all computer operated. I was like, that's kind of crazy.
Hayden: Yeah. I can't even imagine like what it was like doing that by hand though.
Hayden: That must have been so much more work.
Jordan: Yeah. I, I didn't, and then they're building like a road, like a new interstate around us and it's like, When you're driving, you don't think about how much space it is that they have to like, yeah. I don't know. Like a parking lot would be a lot of work, but that's like miles and miles of parking lot.
Jordan: Yeah. So it is helpful to have just machines send it out there and tell it what to do. Yeah. But so how do, what are some ways that, you know, I know that you're out there doing it, but what are ways that you think it's beneficial to like, kind of help promote, you know, jobs like ours and, and the industry as a.
Jordan: Yeah.
Hayden: I feel like it's important, like as a, that the industry as a whole kind of like, we need to be more active on social media and like on channels that younger kids are actually on, [00:22:00] like Instagram, TikTok, um, and I don't even have a TikTok, but def definitely still, uh, it's important to like whatever audience you're trying.
Hayden: Talk to, you need to talk to them where they are. And that's, that is like Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, things like that. Cool. Um, so I think getting in front of them where they're going to be and where, where they'll actually engage with whatever you're talking about is really important. And doing that in a way that's also engaging.
Hayden: Like not some, like if it's just boring content, like no one's gonna wanna listen to it or watch it. So, so getting in front of people that way. And then I think also just like general, general industry education, um, like getting in front of high school students, kind of showing that career path, um, for a lot of people.
Hayden: Cuz even I, I knew when I was at Qwi, like half the people I met were like [00:23:00] mechanical engineers and the other half was. Not, I don't wanna say the other half, but some people were just like me, like construction management majors, and it's like, well, why do you wanna put yourself through four years of engineering, like hardship and then go into the same career path?
Hayden: Like I think people just don't know that construction management's even an option sometimes. Um, so getting in front of people at the high school level and then also. If someone wants to become like a laborer, doesn't want to go to college, getting in front of those people and actually showing them what the career path would look like and the progression and showing them that it's a viable career option and you won't have to be working out in the field until you're, you know, 50 years old.
Hayden: Um, I think that's super important also.
Jordan: Um, now you said something. Struck me was the, [00:24:00] like getting them where they are and, and actually engaging. Cause I think myself included as when with businesses we're guilty of like, just going through the motions of putting out content. So it's like, Hey, here's a picture, here's a before and after of something we did, or, um, but I, I'm gonna have to start thinking deeper about what that means to actually.
Jordan: It, it may need to be more entertaining than educational almost if you wanted to get young people to, to engage with it. Yeah, and
Hayden: I think that's definitely true. Like, um, I mean, build with, for instance, like they've built their following, not necess, they have educational content, but I mean, A lot of it's just like they've got big machines, , you know, moving a lot of dirt.
Hayden: Yeah. And like that's cool to people. Uh, so like even just getting people to stop and look at that. Um, just like that little bit of construction that, that [00:25:00] people can enjoy. And then like from there you can teach them more about the actual industry. It's like getting them in the door.
Jordan: Yeah. I mean, cuz without, you know, , like myself included, I had my, my dad worked in, um, the trade.
Jordan: So it's like, and you know, you learn from your uncle and your grandfather, like without seeing that direct representation of it, people don't even realize that, um, it's out there. Because I think for so long we've just pushed that you have to go this other route, whether it be, you know, formal, advanced education, um, that, that people kinda lose sight that, that, those options are there.
Jordan: I don't know how to, um, it's something I just wanna, it's, it's been a focus of mine is like, how do we get to those people? But I think your insight was helpful and that you have to meet them where they are. I'm just got to write that one down. Yeah.
Hayden: And I talked to, well, um, Trey Thomas from Hill Electric.
Hayden: He was on the BUILD podcast a while [00:26:00] ago, and something their company does, um, is. Like go to high schools, go to um, technical colleges and instead of like just talking about like career options, they show them how to like, use a man lift. Um, like bring them something that's cool. Show them like they can learn a skill on the spot in 30 minutes.
Hayden: Um, and, and I feel like that that's definitely like an engaging way to get in front of the community and, and attract. Skilled laborers a as well as just people who are interested in potentially pursuing it in college and going more that project manager. Um, track. No, that's,
Jordan: yeah. So I know in, um, in West Virginia there, I don't remember if we talked about this before, but there wasn't a, we had, there's trade schools obviously, and they do, um, like H V A C and electrical, but there wasn't [00:27:00] a plumbing apprent.
Jordan: Path for people. So like, it's like how could there be that big of a gap that there's not even a trade school targeting that. Um, so I created one, it hasn't launched yet, but, um, you know, working with the Department of Education and, and the state to kind of get all that accredited, um, so that people can at least learn a little bit.
Jordan: And I want to do like some virtual education as well. Um, but it, it's just crazy to. The lack of, um, information out there, like even an opportunity to go through an apprenticeship, like has a whole state not have that.
Hayden: Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy man. That's awesome. You're doing that.
Jordan: Well, we'll, we'll see if it works,
Jordan: But, um, and then, you know, there's other, I talked to a couple other trade programs like that in other states, um, just to get some feedback and insight and, you know, if there's even like, um, a lot of people. [00:28:00] YouTube and things like that to learn to do it themselves. But even in that field, that aspect, there was like a lack on the plumbing side.
Jordan: Um, yeah, for like technical expertise. So it's just kind of crazy that no one's really, uh, dove into to, to building that out. Maybe it's not entertaining or maybe that's why they haven't done it, like maybe there's not a need for it, but there's gotta be somebody out there wanting to, to see that.
Hayden: Yeah, I mean, I don't know the, the actual numbers, but it's like the, we've got an aging workforce and you know, like we still need plumbers, we still need electricians.
Hayden: Um, and like, as like a bunch of jobs get replaced by like AI and things like that, it's gonna be like those jobs can't be replaced by, by anything like that. So,
Jordan: Rihanna, I'm, I feel like I can already tell a difference. , um, you know, anytime the economy slows a little bit, you know, like these tech companies are laying [00:29:00] off tens of thousands of people at a time, you can kind of start to see that people shift, um, in the way that they're thinking about, about jobs.
Jordan: And, uh, you, you start to see a, a few more applications come in, and I think people do realize that those things are sustainable and reliable as opposed to, you know, just chasing a, a little, a sexier job title.
Hayden: Yeah. I think another big things like if you start out as an electrician or H V A C person or plumber, like you can build an entire business from that.
Hayden: Like a lot of the people we see at Build, like they've built businesses from the ground up that now employ a hundred plus people. You know, like you can, construction's got a lot of opportunity and if you kind of have that drive and know what you're doing. And kind of learn from the ground up. It's, it's cool to see like the people who are able to build huge businesses off that.
Jordan: No, I think that's [00:30:00] a, um, a good point. I, and that's what's unique about it. Maybe not unique, but you can. Do different paths. Like if you just wanna work for someone or a large company or a small, you know, mom and pop type business, you can do that if you kind, if you wanna work your way into a managerial role or if you wanna own your own business.
Jordan: Like there's opportunities for everybody. Um, you know, like even our own employees. It's like if, if you really wanted to go and start your own business, like. I would completely understand. I'd help you do it because there's plenty of work. Like we can't get to everybody the way it is. Yeah. So like, um, I don't know.
Jordan: It, it's impressive how much demand is out there and, and there's the lack of skilled or interested parties to, to fill the, the gaps. Um, what is, what's the future look like for, you know, whether it's you? Construction tech as a, as a whole or just kind of your, [00:31:00] your role in, in what you're doing there at Build, but what are some things coming up or, uh, going forward that you're looking forward to or think that, that need to, you know, need some more attention?
Hayden: Yeah, I mean, I feel like in general, I mean, what build's doing is kind of tackling the, the payment chain issue in construction. That's just a massive problem. Um, and there's other companies doing it too. And I think in the next, you know, five, 10 years, we'll see like a big shift in how payments are managed in the industry.
Hayden: Um, and then just like further into project management, Labor shortage. Like we, we have labor shortages. They're going to come regardless of if we, you know, even if we, I don't know, I always see like 550,000 laborers that are gonna be needed in the construction industry by 2028 or whatever. Um, and I always see that number and I'm like, well, we're most likely just not gonna [00:32:00] get there.
Hayden: Um, like no matter how much we promote the industry. , and that's maybe a cynical view, but I, I think it's kind of fact of the matter. Um, so, but what like companies are doing to combat that is just making everything more efficient. Like, um, you know, m e p companies doing all the prefab work, like plumbing companies, prefabbing, a bunch of things like that.
Hayden: The industry as a whole is just gonna have to get more efficient. Um, and that'll lead to better technology that will lead. Reduced waste, better building materials, things like that. Um, I think it's just going to have to have to happen or else, you know, we just won't be able to keep up with construction needs.
Hayden: Um, ,
Jordan: are you seeing a big, the demand for the, kind of like the, the green working? So like, um, if a company [00:33:00] or individual can be more energy efficient or, um, kind of things along that, is there, especially with larger scale projects, is there a demand for that? Like, or is that something that the market's looking for in
Hayden: business?
Hayden: I don't know that for certain. Um, I don't have that much experience in like the green building space, but I mean, I will say like, I mean, just the infrastructure projects or the infrastructure bill. Um, like there's something like $500 million dedicated to like EV charging stations. Mm-hmm. , which no matter what your thoughts are on it, like that's a huge.
Hayden: Huge section of business for companies to go into. And also it that's just going to happen like, uh, New York and California, if they stop, uh, gas vehicle sales, like those, you need to have the infrastructure for electric vehicles. [00:34:00] Um, so I think like as the US gets more green energy, we're gonna move a lot more into.
Hayden: I don't know, solar panels, you know, wind farms, clean energy type systems, and that's just gonna become more common, um, and more sought after for contractors. Like, uh, it's just gonna be a, another big opportunity for construction businesses to start moving into those spaces.
Jordan: Yeah, I guess you're just gonna have to follow.
Jordan: The, the money, like if the government's gonna keep incentivizing through tax benefits, you know, cuz you, homeowners can get benefits now too if they Yeah. Upgrade, you know, H V A C hot water tank units to be more energy efficient. You can get those things, um, partially or even fully covered a lot of times.
Jordan: So, yeah, I think it's the more things that are, our government pushes and, and offers funding for, I mean, like you said, there's gonna be a demand for someone to, to install it for 'em.[00:35:00]
Jordan: All right. I don't think I have any other questions. I think that , uh, you were, uh, you answer, uh, efficiently, . Um, but no, I really appreciate, uh, you taking some time to do this today. Uh, like I said, I follow a lot of, a lot of your posts. And it's cool to see and I'll continue to, um, connect with you cuz like I said, I find it interesting.
Jordan: I find what you're doing inspiring. So appreciate it. Yeah,
Hayden: thanks for reaching out.